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		<title>Comment on Bowen Therapy &#8211; all fingers and thumbs by apgaylard</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jan 2013 08:13:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Nice try.  However, your comment presents a somewhat perverse misreading of my post.  Let me point out the obvious: the post is about whether or not there is robust evidence to support the claims made  by various Bowen practitioners and UK Bowen organisations to be able to treat a wide range of &lt;i&gt;medical conditions&lt;/i&gt;. It&#039;s not about the implications of these studies for future research.

In this light, it is very clear that the studies that you mention are insufficient to support the use of Bowen to treat any medical condition.  That&#039;s not to say they don&#039;t shed light on future research questions and processes.

A fair reading of the literature shows that there is no robust evidence to support any claims to treat any medical condition.  As a matter of fact, a later review by the ASA has come to the same conclusion (&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.cap.org.uk/Advice-Training-on-the-rules/Advice-Online-Database/Therapies-Bowen-Technique.aspx&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt; and &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.asa.org.uk/Rulings/Adjudications/2012/2/Howard-Bult/SHP_ADJ_160730.aspx&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;).  Interestingly, the only claim they view as supportable is:

&quot;...  that the Bowen technique could improve flexibility, in the short term, of hamstring muscles in healthy, fit adults aged 18-50 years with no musculo-skeletal symptoms ...&quot;


Of course, this is a claim with respect to &lt;em&gt;healthy&lt;/em&gt; adults.

That you feel the need to misreprepresent the theme of this post speaks volumes as to the strength of your criticisms.  Though, if you do actually have any additional evidence, I&#039;d be pleased to see it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice try.  However, your comment presents a somewhat perverse misreading of my post.  Let me point out the obvious: the post is about whether or not there is robust evidence to support the claims made  by various Bowen practitioners and UK Bowen organisations to be able to treat a wide range of <i>medical conditions</i>. It&#8217;s not about the implications of these studies for future research.</p>
<p>In this light, it is very clear that the studies that you mention are insufficient to support the use of Bowen to treat any medical condition.  That&#8217;s not to say they don&#8217;t shed light on future research questions and processes.</p>
<p>A fair reading of the literature shows that there is no robust evidence to support any claims to treat any medical condition.  As a matter of fact, a later review by the ASA has come to the same conclusion (<a href="http://www.cap.org.uk/Advice-Training-on-the-rules/Advice-Online-Database/Therapies-Bowen-Technique.aspx" rel="nofollow">here</a> and <a href="http://www.asa.org.uk/Rulings/Adjudications/2012/2/Howard-Bult/SHP_ADJ_160730.aspx" rel="nofollow">here</a>).  Interestingly, the only claim they view as supportable is:</p>
<p>&#8220;&#8230;  that the Bowen technique could improve flexibility, in the short term, of hamstring muscles in healthy, fit adults aged 18-50 years with no musculo-skeletal symptoms &#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>Of course, this is a claim with respect to <em>healthy</em> adults.</p>
<p>That you feel the need to misreprepresent the theme of this post speaks volumes as to the strength of your criticisms.  Though, if you do actually have any additional evidence, I&#8217;d be pleased to see it.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Bowen Therapy &#8211; all fingers and thumbs by julianmarkbaker</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jan 2013 19:28:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sadly not a thorough article and not obe thst would pass scientific muster but it&#039;s safe to say you&#039;ve never undertaken any kind of clinical trial. 

Your tone and words are sneering and condescending and not the tone of an impassioned observer but of someone who has written a skewed and judgmental piece. Ironic that at the same time you do clearly point out how many studies and trial have been done and that none of them have shown a harmful element. Compared to the majority of treatments currently available this is actually quite an impressive array. 

The hamstring study examined the literature currently available and makes clear the implications for increasing flexibility and the significant impact this has. The study group was very large and the week follow on results has implications for a wide range of presentations. 

Research does not always follow the line of &#039;finding things that are wrong to make right&#039; but instead explores what is happening, in order for others to follow. 

The stroke study again was significant in respect of the data available for patients in the same range. You could take six patients with brachial plexus issues and due to the severity of the problem and the lack of available treatment changes in 4 of them would be massively significant. So it&#039;s not about the numbers, it&#039;s about the literature reviews that explain the methodology.

I agree that wild claims need to be modified and care taken, but all your evidence presented here does suggest that Bowen has positive effects. That you don&#039;t like it or that it doesn&#039;t fit with your agenda is obvious but bias shouldn&#039;t get in the way of something being explored more. 

In future I suggest you present a more balanced view rather than leading inexperienced readers into conclusions that of your personal making. 
 
But thank you for your interest.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sadly not a thorough article and not obe thst would pass scientific muster but it&#8217;s safe to say you&#8217;ve never undertaken any kind of clinical trial. </p>
<p>Your tone and words are sneering and condescending and not the tone of an impassioned observer but of someone who has written a skewed and judgmental piece. Ironic that at the same time you do clearly point out how many studies and trial have been done and that none of them have shown a harmful element. Compared to the majority of treatments currently available this is actually quite an impressive array. </p>
<p>The hamstring study examined the literature currently available and makes clear the implications for increasing flexibility and the significant impact this has. The study group was very large and the week follow on results has implications for a wide range of presentations. </p>
<p>Research does not always follow the line of &#8216;finding things that are wrong to make right&#8217; but instead explores what is happening, in order for others to follow. </p>
<p>The stroke study again was significant in respect of the data available for patients in the same range. You could take six patients with brachial plexus issues and due to the severity of the problem and the lack of available treatment changes in 4 of them would be massively significant. So it&#8217;s not about the numbers, it&#8217;s about the literature reviews that explain the methodology.</p>
<p>I agree that wild claims need to be modified and care taken, but all your evidence presented here does suggest that Bowen has positive effects. That you don&#8217;t like it or that it doesn&#8217;t fit with your agenda is obvious but bias shouldn&#8217;t get in the way of something being explored more. </p>
<p>In future I suggest you present a more balanced view rather than leading inexperienced readers into conclusions that of your personal making. </p>
<p>But thank you for your interest.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Bowen Therapy &#8211; all fingers and thumbs by craniosandy</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jan 2013 00:01:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I agree with the writer of this article. It&#039;s the claims that these uneducated purveyors of the Bowen technique make that damages it&#039;s credibility. Unfortunately anyone can learn the Bowen technique whereas it should be reserved in the domain for professional therapists who understand the pathomechanics of disease, specifically musculoskeletal disorders. Then you wouldn&#039;t have uneducated and so-called bowen therapists saying it can cure anything because they actually had the experience of relaxing someone with MS and their symptoms improved, likely their mobility for a period of time. That doesn&#039;t mean it cured MS, but it doesn&#039;t stop these so-called bowen therapists from claiming it does. For the record, I use bowen technique in my practice as a chiropractor, but I&#039;m very careful how I present it. In my opinion it&#039;s not more than a soft tissue technique that can, if used properly, bring some needed relaxation to people. The therapeutic benefits of relaxation are well documented, and so it&#039;s no surprise that some people actually end up having a reduction in symptoms. It it what we call best-practice for all conditions? No it is not, but it can be a very valuable tool.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with the writer of this article. It&#8217;s the claims that these uneducated purveyors of the Bowen technique make that damages it&#8217;s credibility. Unfortunately anyone can learn the Bowen technique whereas it should be reserved in the domain for professional therapists who understand the pathomechanics of disease, specifically musculoskeletal disorders. Then you wouldn&#8217;t have uneducated and so-called bowen therapists saying it can cure anything because they actually had the experience of relaxing someone with MS and their symptoms improved, likely their mobility for a period of time. That doesn&#8217;t mean it cured MS, but it doesn&#8217;t stop these so-called bowen therapists from claiming it does. For the record, I use bowen technique in my practice as a chiropractor, but I&#8217;m very careful how I present it. In my opinion it&#8217;s not more than a soft tissue technique that can, if used properly, bring some needed relaxation to people. The therapeutic benefits of relaxation are well documented, and so it&#8217;s no surprise that some people actually end up having a reduction in symptoms. It it what we call best-practice for all conditions? No it is not, but it can be a very valuable tool.</p>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Dec 2012 09:05:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Comment on Bowen Therapy &#8211; all fingers and thumbs by apgaylard</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Dec 2012 12:14:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi Chrissie,

Thanks for your comment.  I&#039;m sorry to hear that you&#039;ve been through such a rough time and I&#039;m happy to hear of your good fortune.  

Let&#039;s hope that an enterprising Bowen academic/therapist conducts a fair trial on chronic hip/knee pain like yours.  If it can really help in the way you describe, then the results would be very clear.

Please accept by best wishes for your continuing recovery.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Chrissie,</p>
<p>Thanks for your comment.  I&#8217;m sorry to hear that you&#8217;ve been through such a rough time and I&#8217;m happy to hear of your good fortune.  </p>
<p>Let&#8217;s hope that an enterprising Bowen academic/therapist conducts a fair trial on chronic hip/knee pain like yours.  If it can really help in the way you describe, then the results would be very clear.</p>
<p>Please accept by best wishes for your continuing recovery.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Bowen Therapy &#8211; all fingers and thumbs by apgaylard</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Dec 2012 12:04:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi Kim,

Thanks for your comment.  I&#039;m glad that you and your mother-in-law are feeling better.  

While I agree that there is much yet to understand about the human body and what ails it, I think that it&#039;s important not to discard what is already known and, I&#039;m afraid that some of the claims that I&#039;ve come across for this therapy do.  This takes me to the core of my post: it&#039;s not critical of those who chose to use Bowen (after all my wife has!) but rather those who make marketing claims that have no real substantial basis.  What I&#039;ve found is that the majority of the claims are (to be polite) highly speculative and yet are not presented as such.  I believe that whatever the product or service sold potential customers should not be mislead, otherwise informed choice is undermined.

In this context well-conducted fair trials are not just &quot;useful&quot; they are essential, otherwise we don&#039;t know whether our individual experiences are the product of chance, the natural history of a condition, the misattribution of an occurance to a cause (part of the human condition I&#039;m afraid) or the proposed therapy.  It&#039;s really not a matter of being &quot;fooled&quot; in the usual sense.

As for GPs offering or recommending Bowen, I&#039;m afraid this doesn&#039;t give us a reliable indication of the therapy&#039;s effectiveness:  not a few GPs actually recommend homeopathy!

Anyway, I hope that you continue to feel better.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Kim,</p>
<p>Thanks for your comment.  I&#8217;m glad that you and your mother-in-law are feeling better.  </p>
<p>While I agree that there is much yet to understand about the human body and what ails it, I think that it&#8217;s important not to discard what is already known and, I&#8217;m afraid that some of the claims that I&#8217;ve come across for this therapy do.  This takes me to the core of my post: it&#8217;s not critical of those who chose to use Bowen (after all my wife has!) but rather those who make marketing claims that have no real substantial basis.  What I&#8217;ve found is that the majority of the claims are (to be polite) highly speculative and yet are not presented as such.  I believe that whatever the product or service sold potential customers should not be mislead, otherwise informed choice is undermined.</p>
<p>In this context well-conducted fair trials are not just &#8220;useful&#8221; they are essential, otherwise we don&#8217;t know whether our individual experiences are the product of chance, the natural history of a condition, the misattribution of an occurance to a cause (part of the human condition I&#8217;m afraid) or the proposed therapy.  It&#8217;s really not a matter of being &#8220;fooled&#8221; in the usual sense.</p>
<p>As for GPs offering or recommending Bowen, I&#8217;m afraid this doesn&#8217;t give us a reliable indication of the therapy&#8217;s effectiveness:  not a few GPs actually recommend homeopathy!</p>
<p>Anyway, I hope that you continue to feel better.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Bowen Therapy &#8211; all fingers and thumbs by Chrissie Niddrie-Davies</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Chrissie Niddrie-Davies]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Dec 2012 00:39:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I am a sceptic. I am very active and swim a mile 3 x a week and go to the gym for a couple of hours 3 x a week and walk my dog 3 hrs a week. I teach full time. I am 60. In 2011, I had a bad fall and after 11 painful months on crutches, I had knee surgery 10 months ago and returned to full activity within 6 months but then had a relapse after 4 months with chronic pain in my hip and knee. My GP increased my drugs and pain killers. I was pretty immobile and on crutches even to get from my bed to the toilet. I was told to have more surgery or stay in pain and on crutches for life. I had one Bowen session and immense pain relief. After the second session, 5 days later, I was off crutches except as a back up for walking over 1/2 mile or so. I still do not believe it, but the relief has not been incremental or imaginary, but life-changing. I wish other people the same good fortune.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am a sceptic. I am very active and swim a mile 3 x a week and go to the gym for a couple of hours 3 x a week and walk my dog 3 hrs a week. I teach full time. I am 60. In 2011, I had a bad fall and after 11 painful months on crutches, I had knee surgery 10 months ago and returned to full activity within 6 months but then had a relapse after 4 months with chronic pain in my hip and knee. My GP increased my drugs and pain killers. I was pretty immobile and on crutches even to get from my bed to the toilet. I was told to have more surgery or stay in pain and on crutches for life. I had one Bowen session and immense pain relief. After the second session, 5 days later, I was off crutches except as a back up for walking over 1/2 mile or so. I still do not believe it, but the relief has not been incremental or imaginary, but life-changing. I wish other people the same good fortune.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Bowen Therapy &#8211; all fingers and thumbs by Kim Simpson</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kim Simpson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Dec 2012 20:16:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hello. I am hugely sceptical of alternative therapies, generally needing evidence to believe (and for the most part, avoiding them!) but I had to post a comment on this. My mother recommended Bowen (and she is equally sceptical) after she had 2 sessions which, in 20 years, was the most effective treatment she has ever tried. I have used physiotherapy, massage, traditional medications, marijuana, yoga, pilates and swimming - all of which had some impact, no doubt, but the immediate effect (admittedly unpleasant the day after while I had a bit of a &#039;release&#039;) is difficult to argue with. My mother, for her part, spent 5 hours walking around shops the weekend after her second treatment, something I have not seen her do in over 10 years. 

I agree that some controlled study would be useful, but we are constantly learning how much we DON&quot;T know about the body, how much we have yet to understand. I think that in assessing alternative treatments such as Bowen, it would be helpful to approach the writing in a much more open way, that invites discussion and question (as it should - in order to have the much needed evidence) but the overall tone of your article suggest that those who benefit from this treatment have been duped in some way.... As an educated, successful, inquisitive professional, I don&#039;t feel that I am easily fooled....

Finally, it may interest you to know that my condition is called Hypermobility Syndrome, a condition that affects the connective tissue, the facsia...this is one of the things that Bowen &#039;claims&#039; to work on. My condition affects every part of my body; joints, muscles, stomach, heart, kidneys, eyes, sinuses (and breathing)....you name it - all through the facsia. If I can have such a variety of problems through a single fault in my genes, why shouldn&#039;t stimulating this part of my body result in a variety of improvements? 

PS. Many GPs offer/recommend Bowen.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello. I am hugely sceptical of alternative therapies, generally needing evidence to believe (and for the most part, avoiding them!) but I had to post a comment on this. My mother recommended Bowen (and she is equally sceptical) after she had 2 sessions which, in 20 years, was the most effective treatment she has ever tried. I have used physiotherapy, massage, traditional medications, marijuana, yoga, pilates and swimming &#8211; all of which had some impact, no doubt, but the immediate effect (admittedly unpleasant the day after while I had a bit of a &#8216;release&#8217;) is difficult to argue with. My mother, for her part, spent 5 hours walking around shops the weekend after her second treatment, something I have not seen her do in over 10 years. </p>
<p>I agree that some controlled study would be useful, but we are constantly learning how much we DON&#8221;T know about the body, how much we have yet to understand. I think that in assessing alternative treatments such as Bowen, it would be helpful to approach the writing in a much more open way, that invites discussion and question (as it should &#8211; in order to have the much needed evidence) but the overall tone of your article suggest that those who benefit from this treatment have been duped in some way&#8230;. As an educated, successful, inquisitive professional, I don&#8217;t feel that I am easily fooled&#8230;.</p>
<p>Finally, it may interest you to know that my condition is called Hypermobility Syndrome, a condition that affects the connective tissue, the facsia&#8230;this is one of the things that Bowen &#8216;claims&#8217; to work on. My condition affects every part of my body; joints, muscles, stomach, heart, kidneys, eyes, sinuses (and breathing)&#8230;.you name it &#8211; all through the facsia. If I can have such a variety of problems through a single fault in my genes, why shouldn&#8217;t stimulating this part of my body result in a variety of improvements? </p>
<p>PS. Many GPs offer/recommend Bowen.</p>
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		<title>Comment on A homeopathic refutation – part three by Seudohistoria, mistificación y argumento de paja &#171; zetetic1500</title>
		<link>http://apgaylard.wordpress.com/2009/09/25/a-homeopathic-refutation-part-three/#comment-1958</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Oct 2012 02:05:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Comment on It&#8217;s Evidence Jim, But Not As We Know It! by apgaylard</title>
		<link>http://apgaylard.wordpress.com/2007/11/08/its-evidence-jim-but-not-as-we-know-it/#comment-1943</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Aug 2012 16:34:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Michael, thank you for your comment.  The &#039;celebrity endorsement&#039; argument is commonly seen.  In the UK the Queen has an official homeopath and the Royal Family&#039;s use of this nonsense is often cited as evidence of efficacy.  Anyway, I&#039;m glad that you found my rather old piece of some use.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michael, thank you for your comment.  The &#8216;celebrity endorsement&#8217; argument is commonly seen.  In the UK the Queen has an official homeopath and the Royal Family&#8217;s use of this nonsense is often cited as evidence of efficacy.  Anyway, I&#8217;m glad that you found my rather old piece of some use.</p>
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